Archives for category: Joseph “Joe” Bail Published Inaccuracies

Poor John Giduck.  More information keeps coming to light that raises questions about if he and his fellow Archangel Group consultants misled and continue to mislead law enforcement, military, and homeland security professionals about John Giduck’s actual background and lack of operational credentials. Given the money that Giduck, Bail, Anderson, and company were collectively earning (or receiving as “like kind gifts” such as new $20,000 Zodiac boats), they have had more than enough motive and opportunity to mislead everyone about John Giduck’s credentials and…err..shortcomings.

Let’s look how Joe Bail misled all of us.  What follows is an excerpt from an article written by Chester Pennsylvania Police Commissioner Joseph Bail and posted on the Archangel Group’s own website: (bold text is mine)

For all of these reasons, virtually everything in the Washington Monthly article fails. Its targets are experienced, credentialed, honest, committed Americans providing much needed training to American law enforcement. The authors failed to destroy the reputations of the people they targeted. And the facts, as they state them, are false, or skewed to create false impressions.

In the same article, Joe Bail neither makes mentions of nor adds commentary to a direct quote by John “Judas” “Andy” Anderson (co-founder of Archangel Group) discussing John Giduck’s military background:

This is probably due to the fact that he [John Giduck] does not come from a military background.

Anderson either lied in that quote or performed no due dilence on his business partner’s claims. John Giduck’s easily obtained official military records can be found here. My opinion is that Anderson lied and we’ll cover the details of this seemingly persistent lie in a future blog post. But Joe Bail admits elsewhere in July 2011 that he [Joe Bail] knew that John Giduck spent time in the military:

Nevertheless, he is an expert, and a world class one at that. He [John Giduck] may not have spent any lengthy time in the U.S. military, but I know first hand of his exposure to the special forces of numerous other countries and what he has learned from them.

This raises the question of the value of being “cool by association”.  We know that John Giduck for whatever reason could not gut out US Army basic training.  Does teaching a singularly focused topic such as hand-to-hand or the details of an incident in Russia raise one’s credentials to being an “operator”, “credentialed”, or “experienced”?  Likely not.  And, sadly, Joseph Bail as a 40 year law enforcement professional would have known that he’s being “less than honest” with his use of words here. 

So, Joe Bail clearly knew that John Giduck spent time in the military and clearly knew it wasn’t “lengthy”.  John Giduck and Joe Bail had been friends for at least 10 years at that point so they must have shared the basic training failure story over a beer.

Remember that Joe Bail was working for Archangel Group as a consultant, and had even received a new $20,000 Zodiac as a “charitable donation” (my opinion: payment for services that needed to be obfuscated for some reason).  Joe Bail has motive and opportunity to mislead you for his own personal gain or that of his department.

Below is the John Giduck signed IRS Form 990 entry for that transaction:

from Archangel’s 2007 IRS Form 990 found at

One has to wonder just how honest and committed Joseph Bail is given the above.


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With all of the viral Stolen Valor posts on the internet, John Giduck may be thinking that we’ve forgotten about him and his odd financial dealings with Chester PA’s Police Commissioner Joseph “Joe” Bail.  We haven’t. If what John Giduck says is true about holding 2012 fiscal year contracts with the Chester PA Police department, then has Joe Bail violated the Pennsylvania State Ethics Act?

John Giduck loves to tell people through his mouthpiece website and through other people that he’s never lied on his website about his background.  So let’s take John Giduck at his word for a moment. Ok, that made me laugh.

On the “About” page of his personal website,, John Giduck clearly states that he was hired by the Chester Police Department in January 2012

In January 2012 he [John Giduck] was hired to assist in creating the international intelligence section of the Narcotics & Intelligence Unit of the City of Chester (PA) Police Department and also serves as a training coordinator.

Joseph Bail Apparently Hires John Giduck After Being Named Chester Police Chief

So just so that we understand, Joe Bail was sworn into his position as the Chief of Chester, PA of 3 Jan 2012.  According to John Giduck, he must have then immediately hired John Giduck within the first month to be training coordinator and form an intel unit within the Chester, PA police department.

Joseph Bail’s Business Relationships With John Giduck

Here is the potential problem:  Joe Bail also happens to serve as a consultant to John Giduck’s company, Archangel Group.   Joe Bail even lists it on his offical biography on the Chester city website but inaccurately and perhaps intentionally states that Archangel Group is a non-profit organization…which it hasn’t been for years.  Here is a screen capture from the Chester City website:

As a consultant to the Archangel Group, a non-profit organization specializing in police and military unit training in anti-terror operations, he has travelled to Russia following the Beslan school crisis on a fact finding trip for the book “Terror at Beslan” with the author, John Giduck. Commissioner Bail is currently the only active American Law Enforcement Officer to interview the Russian Special Forces personnel that responded to the Beslan massacre.

Commissioner Bail, along with John Giduck, has also travelled to Mumbai, India, Ma’Lot, Isreal, and several other areas subjected to terrorist events to assess the information and training needed for American police.

Additionally, Joseph Bail edited John Giduck’s book, Terror At Beslan, and co-authored John Giduck’s Shooter Down.  JOe Bail isn’t the only senior Chester police official involved. Joe Bail and Ernie Manerchia were involved in research for what is rumored to be another John Giduck book about the Mumbai terror attacks. Here is what the Archangel Group’s website says about their participation:

One month after this horrific strategic level terrorist attack, Archangel sent three representatives to Mumbai to conduct an investigation and assessment of these attacks. Comprised of John Giduck (author of Terror at Beslan, and co-author of The Green Beret In You), Major Joseph Bail, a 35-plus year police veteran from the City of Chester, Pennsylvania, and long-time SWAT commander, 20-year police veteran, SWATand dive team leader, Ernie Manerchia, the Archangel team interviewed top level military and special forces officers, including the operations commander, assault team members, police, hotel and restaurant employees, accessed government and military reports and evidence, viewed crime scene photos of the attack sites, and traversed every path of the terrorist attack teams, from their insertion on shore to their division into five units and ultimate attacks. Information as to how these attacks were planned, intelligence and surveillance conducted, targets selected, and types of attacks chosen for the respective sites is critical to law enforcement in continuing to prepare for terror attacks on American soil.

Joseph Bail went on to write an error filled  magazine article about the Mumbai attacks which have been analyzed by this website.   Joe Bail also wrote a rebuttal to criticisms about John Giduck that had been published in a prominent magazine using his title within the Chester police department to strengthen his claims.

The State of Pennsylvania’s Ethics Act

You can read the entire Act here. What does it says about financial relationships such as what seem to exist between Joe Bail and John Giduck?

(f)    Contract.–No public official or public employee or his spouse or child or any business in which the person or his spouse or child is associated shall enter into any contract valued at $500 or more with the governmental body with which the public official or public employee is associated or any subcontract valued at $500 or more with any person who has been awarded a contract with the governmental body with which the public official or public employee is associated, unless the contract has been awarded through an open and public process, including prior public notice and subsequent public disclosure of all proposals considered and contracts awarded. In such a case, the public official or public employee shall not have any supervisory or overall responsibility for the implementation or administration of the contract. Any contract or subcontract made in violation of this subsection shall be voidable by a court of competent jurisdiction if the suit is commenced within 90 days of the making of the contract or subcontract.

Someone please point me to the “open and public process” that was used in hiring John Giduck. We’ve done a significant amount of searching for evidence of this contract.  If there was such a process, it would be interesting to know exactly what constitutes “public”.  Note that this is not a vendetta – we are searching for the truth around what a reasonable person might believe a quid pro quo contracting deal involvingpublic persons and the public interest in the form of Chester city funds.  It’s your money…you should care.

Although more than a few organizations in Pennsylvania may be interested in this, I’m sure glad that Pennsylvania has a complaint process for these matters.  Let’s get to the bottom of this.


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Archangel Group wants your money for consulting work…either your organization’s money or your tax dollars. Sadly, if this error filled article on Mumbai and POW Network listed military poser John Giduck‘s equally error filled book, Terror At Beslan, are representative of  Archangel Group’s work, you should strongly reconsider unless you are hiring Archangel Group to write fiction for your organization.

So, Archangel sent three “consultants” to Mumbai…two of whom also happened to be on the taxpayers’ dime from the City of Chester, PA.  We’ve already looked at various inaccuracies in the article penned by Joseph “Yoda” “Joe” Bail…a public figure currently serving as Commissioner of the Chester PA Police force.  Obviously, Joe Bail’s prime investigative days must be behind him because he seems to have an issue researching how many people at various sites in Mumbai.

Let’s look at the terrorist killings around the Cama Hospital as yet another example of the poor research on the part of the Archangel Group team.  There are almost too many errors to keep track of.

Joe Bail writes that 7 people were killed in or around the Cama Hospital in Mumbai:

The terrorists were eventually engaged with small-arms fire by the railroad police, which forced them to flee on foot over a walkway toward the Cama hospital, where they killed four more people.

Shortly thereafter, a police vehicle from the counter terrorist unit arrived, containing three of Mumbai’s senior counter terror police commanders and a fourth constable. The terrorists killed three of the responding senior police officers

4+3=7. It’s sad that Joe Bail’s article was written MONTHS after the Mumbai and the basic facts simply aren’t correct. It’s as bad as John Giduck’s Terror At Beslan.

and then attacked the nearby Cama Hospital, killing two unarmed guards at the entrance and a policeman in a gunfight on the top floor. Then they raced out of the hospital and opened fire on a police SUV, killing Mumbai’s Anti-Terrorist Squad chief Hemant Karkare and two other officers.

Let’s see: 2+1+3 = 6

These two then attacked the Cama Hospital, killing at least 2 hospital guards and one police officer in the hospital, then surprising and killing several police officers in an SUV between the Cama Hospital and adjacent Gokuldas Tejpal Hospital, including H. Karkare, head of Maharashtra’s Anti-Terrorist Squad.

There is that 6 number again

To be fair to the Archangel group, I also looked for sources that mentioned 7 people being killed.  The only source that I could find dated after 1 Dec 2008 (to account for uncertainties during the actual battle) was this very obviously flawed BBC reference

Seven people were killed inside Cama hospital and nine outside, including several police officers.

None of those numbers are supported elsewhere. As usual, the Archangel Group team of consultants provides no sourcing for their fiction.

Yikes.  These Archangel Group guys suck as analysts.


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Chester PA’s Joseph “Joe” Bail & Mumbai Inaccuracies: Trident Oberoi

This is the fourth article about the inaccuracies in Archangel Group consultant Joseph “Yoda”  “Joe” Bail’s poorly written 2009 article about the Mumbai attacks.  Perhaps Commissioner Bail thought that I was done with him after three posts but we created a site map specific to Joe Bail and Chester, PA for a reason. There is a lot more to post about him and John Giduck’s relationship to Chester, PA.

So to catch you back up, Archangel Group sent three consultants to Mumbai, India apparently in the Dec 2008 or January 2009 timeframe (as usual, Archangel Group never mention specific dates…but that’s ok as they’ve obviously got so many inaccuracies). These three consultants consisted of POW Network military wall of shame inductee John Giduck, current Chester PA Police Commissioner  Joseph “Joe” Bail, and some guy named Ernie who apparently didn’t do much except look for his Bert.

Joe Bail wrote an June 2009 article in the Counter terrorist Magazine about Mumbai. This blog post examines killings that took place in the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station or CST that Joe Bail still managed to publish incorrectly after supposedly months of research.

The first inaccuracy is minor but important for credibility. Joe Bail misspells the name of the railway station.  The Archangel team claims to have retraced the steps of the Mumbai terrorists. How could they have gotten this wrong?

The teams’ prearranged targets were the crowded Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus (CST) railway station  (page 7)

The proper spelling of the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus has two “hh”s after the C. You can see this in the wikipedia article about the railway station.

The next error is inaccuracy is far more indicative of the poor research done by the Archangel Group team onsite in Mumbai as well as in the months prior to the article’s publication. Joe Bail gets the number of people killed by terrorists at the CST incorrect.  This seems to be a common issue – the first three blog posts in this series had the same error.  Joseph Bail writes:

Meanwhile, as the Leopold/Taj Mahal attacks were taking place, two more of the terrorists moved by taxi to the CST station (formerly called Victoria Station). Once there, they entered the waiting area near the tracks, where they threw grenades and opened fire on the unsuspecting travelers, killing 55 citizens.    (page 8)

Unfortunately, the correct number was 58 citizens killed. This is confirmed by multiple sources

Kasab and Ismail started firing at random inside the CST building. Ismail also lobbed hand grenades. The attacks started at 9.30 p.m.; in less than an hour, the duo killed 58 people and injured over 100.

even by wikipedia

The attacks began around 21:30 when the two men entered the passenger hall and opened fire, The attackers killed 58 people and injured 104 others,

That said, there is an alternative number of 52 floating around but it seems that this is from early reports and some people initially listed as wounded may have died later.  The only source that I could find that mentions 55 killed as a final number and is not from the days right after the attack is a report by Indian Retired Maj. Gen. Gera. Perhaps this is the source of Archangel Group’s error.

Of course, if Archangel Group consultants actually published references or sources as most organizations that publish are required to, this whole questions could have been easily resolved.

This particular team didn’t seem to have any interest in interrupting their pleasure trip to actually get facts right.


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Chester PA’s Joseph “Joe” Bail & Mumbai Inaccuracies: Trident Oberoi


One of the things that has perplexed me is how could Archangel Group consultant and instructor Joseph “Joe” Bail have gotten such incorrect information  about certain aspects of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks.  Joe Bail, who (given crime in his city) seems to moonlight as Chester Pennsylvania’s Commissioner of Police published his article in June 2009…many months after official details and numbers about the Mumbai attacks were made public. So, what’s the possible source of these obvious errors and inaccuracies?

In my three previous posts, I’ve demonstrated that Joe Bail published fundamental inaccuracies in three key areas – Trident Oberoi, Nariman House, and Leopold Cafe. There are others to be published but the first three correspond with a document from which I believe Joseph Bail cherrypicked inaccurate facts.

The document in question from which these inaccuracies may have been cherrypicked is the following PDF that seems to have no discernible source. In fact, it appears to have been scanned as a PDF from a spiral bound notebook.

The document properties show the PDF to have been created in early January 2009.  This means that the document could have been made available  to Joe Bail as a source prior to his June 2009 article.  It may have even provided to the Archangel Group as a takeaway during their visit to Mumbai.

Let’s look at the similarities between what Joseph Bail published and what the Mumbai PDF has.

Similarity #1: Trident Oberoi Hotel Inaccuracy

Joe Bail published that 33 civilians had been slaughtered at the Trident Oberoi hotel complex during the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks.  The actual number was 32.  The Mumbai PDF says the following at the bottom of Page 8.

There is that incorrect 33 number…just as Joe Bail claimed.  A very quick search of google results appears to confirm that the only sources for the claim that 33 people being killed are Joe Bail’s flawed article in The Counterterrorist Magazine and the Mumbai PDF.

Similarity #2: Nariman House Inaccuracy

Joe Bail published that 5 hostages had been killed at the Nariman House during the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks. The actual number was six. The Mumbai PDF says the following as part of paragraph 40 on page 9

There is that incorrect 5 number…just as Joe Bail claimed. Now, to be fair, many other news sources initially claimed 5 hostages had been killed as well. The difference is that these sources were reporting this number as the story was unfolding (28 Nov).  There don’t seem to be any reputable sources that say 5 hostages were killed by the time the Archangel Group team traveled to Mumbai, India a month after the attacks as they claim.

Similarity #3: Leopold Cafe Inaccuracy

Joe Bail published that 10 people were killed at the Leopold Cafe during the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks.  The actual number was 11 (although a 2012 Vanity Fair article now has the number at 12).  The Mumbai PDF says the following as part of paragraph 24 on page 6:

There is that incorrect 10 number…just as Joe Bail claimed.  Like the Nariman house, initial reports place the number at 10. This is also a bit trickier as several wikipedia article have the number at 10 but seem to also use references from 1 December 2008 and earlier as their sources (that’s the beauty of references for source info – something that Archangel Group consultants have not seemed to have mastered yet).

In Closing

I believe that the evidence supports Joe Bail having cherry picked some of his flawed information from this deck. Why?

The strongest evidence is that the 33 number of dead at the Trident Oberoi doesn’t seem to exist in any other reputable source.  Had Joe Bail performed a simple internet search anytime between his trip to Mumbai in December 2008 or January 2009 and his published article in June 2009, he would have seen that his numbers were flawed and inaccurate. The other two inaccuracies are too odd and exact to be coincidental in my opinion.

Also, the source of the Mumbai PDF may be the Indian Ministry of External Affairs. There are powerpoint slide decks starting on page 30 of the PDF that say “Ministry of External Affairs” on them.  It is possible that these slides were simply included by another agency but the agency would have had to have noticed that the numbers were just plain wrong.

The dates for this document are within the window for Archangel Group’s visit to Mumbai. My opinion is that the Archangel Group was likely handed this flawed report and went with those numbers (obviously scanned as one can see through the paper to the following on some of the scans).  We’ll see just how much of the Mumbai PDF ends up appearing in John Giduck’s upcoming book on Mumbai and properly sourced.

Note that I use the term “cherrypicked” rather than “copied” because there are further examples of Joe Bail publishing incorrect information that are actually correct in the Mumbai PDF.  I’ll be posting these additional inaccuracies published by Joe Bail research in the coming days.  I initially suspected that the notebook might be Archangel’s own notes or book draft but the additional inaccuracies preclude such thinking.

Now you know why I stated in the first post in this series that I would be approaching these inaccuracies out of order.  The first three posts were tied to inaccuracies mirrored in this Mumbai PDF. We’ll move onto others from here.

Edited To Add 2pm Pacific 30 April 2012: The source of the document has been found by a sharp eyed reader:

The 69-page dossier of evidence linking Pakistan to the Mumbai terror attacks of Nov 26-28, 2008, was handed to Pakistan by the Indian government Jan 5, 2009. The dossier includes transcripts of phone calls made between terrorists and their alleged handlers in Pakistan during the attacks. According to the dossier, the commanders in Pakistan were following events on television and issuing instructions to gunmen to target certain nationalities and religions, maximize casualties, and not to kill Muslims. The commands included orders to cold-bloodedly murder six Jews at the Nariman Chabad House, an orthodox Jewish outreach center in Mumbai. Senior members of Laskar-e-Taiba (LeT), a Pakistan-based terrorist group, are alleged to be involved in the attacks that claimed more than 170 lives.

The dossier was originally posted on the online edition of The Hindu.

The link contained in the above summary links to a copy of the same Mumbai PDF document.  The mystery of the document source appears to be solved.


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When Chester PA’s Joseph “Joe” Bail isn’t working as an instructor/consultant with Archangel Group or moonlighting as Chester PA’s police commissioner (look at the crime statistics and seems to be moonlighting anyway), Joe’s  job must be to make John Giduck look smart. Kind of like that “boy band” thing when John Giduck is the smouldering quiet one and Joe Bail is the guy in the van with candy one making the others look smart.

Enough of that satire against public figures…at least until later.

This post is the first in a series about fundamental inaccuracies in Joseph Bail’s published articles about the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai. I’ve already published a whole series of posts about John Giduck’s shoddy research for his book, Terror At Beslan (some of the list is below).  One thing that I can say is that Archangel Group is nothing but consistent in publishing inaccurate, poorly researched, and speculative information as cold, hard fact.

Let’s not start at the beginning this time – you’ll see why by the end of the series of blog posts.

Let’s start with Joseph “Joe” Bail’s body count in the Trident Oberoi hotel complex during the Mumbai attacks.  Here is what Joe Bail writes about the Nov 2008 incident

The assault on these facilities began at about 2235. At that time, both terrorists entered the Trident’s lobby while throwing grenades and firing indiscriminately, immediately killing at least seven people. Moreover, prior to entering the lobby, the terrorist pair placed a bomb near the hotel entrance, which was subsequently defused by a police EOD unit. The terrorists next moved through the Trident’s lobby to an interior door and hallway that led to the Oberoi complex, where they entered the Tiffin restaurant, killing 12 more people. The duo then went into the Kandahar restaurant, killing one more person and taking 12 hostages before moving to the 22nd floor, killing even more people along the way.

At the end of the Trident/Oberoi siege, a total of 33 civilians had been slaughtered

33 civilians is what Joe Bail claimed in the June 2009 article above. Remember that this is not a live report it was written months after the attacks and also after the Joe bail supposedly conducted extensive research into the topic based on the byline for Joe Bail at the end of the same article:

About the Author
Maj. Bail is the SWAT Commander for the City of Chester (Pennsylvania) Police Department. He has served that agency for 36 years and is an instructor and consultant for the Archangel Group. His insight for the above article is based upon direct interview of key personnel and site visits.

So after such extensive interviews and sufficient time passing to get the right number, what do other sources say?  33?  Not at all.

Wikipedia says that 32 people were killed in the Trident Oberoi complex:

On November 26, 2008 the Oberoi Trident was taken over by Islamic terrorist organizations as a part of the 2008 Mumbai attacks. 32 staff and guests were killed during the 3-day siege.[2]

In the attack on Oberoi-Trident hotel, 4 hotel guests, 18 diners, and 10 staffers died, and nine people were injured, including two staffers.[39] –

Wikipedia not a good enough source for you?  How about the Wall Street Journal?  They seem to believe that 32 people died in the Trident Oberoi complex as well.

Twenty-two guests and 10 staff members at the Trident and Oberoi hotels were killed.

This is only the first of a whole set of posts with Mumbai inaccuracies noted. Please withhold comments on other portions of the article until I have a chance to publish them all.  Suffice it to say that the article is so full inaccuracies that my opinion is that John Giduck himself could have written it. If the article is that inaccurate, I don’t personally see any reason to buy the John Giduck and Joe Bail book about Mumbai at all.


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